Persuader Pan/Pre conversion

Started by WLeach, September 23, 2024, 03:22:33 PM

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WLeach

 So I recently bought the Pan/Preamp kit for my 85' Persuader. It looks like it's set up to have the pickups plugged into it, the power looks to be daisy chained through it and a single output to a volume. I don't trust my memory as to the correct value (50k).
I'm puzzled by the connection to the filter at that point

edwardofhuncote

Did your Persuader have it's original Volume-Volume-Filter set installed?


I'm curious about how this upgrade will work too... I put it in my Persuader, but mine had Volume-Pan-Filter electronics already. I was simply upgrading the Pan module so I could adjust each pickup gain separately.

adriaan

Not sure why you would be concerned about the 50k, as it should be plug-and-play - at least it was for my Epic with the bass and treble controls, rather than a filter.

The daisy chaining confused me, IIRC mainly because one of the connectors of the new harness needed to marry another connector, whereas I assumed it would need to be attached to a board - though of course things might be different for a Persuader package.

WLeach

Yes my Persuader has all the original electronics. Volume / volume / pre

I do know the Epic controls are different than the Persuader set up. The volume pot was something Mica mentioned, this may be a plug and play setup, I just want to confirm

martinecox99

Hi, I recently did this upgrade on my Persuader. If you have the original dual volume set up on a Persuader you will need the additional single-volume harness option. Installation was straight-forward.

Good luck!
Martin

martinecox99

Quoting the instruction sheet:

"Plug pickups in the panmodule.
Plug the pan module 2- and 3-pin female connectors in the filter module, and the 3-pin male connector to the one-volume harness."

Hope this helps!

Martin

WLeach

Martin, the one volume harness is out of stock and I have no schematic to fabricate one.

FC Bass

You should have one... Can you post a picture of all electronics you have?
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WLeach

Photos of pan/pre and electronics. Now that I've figured out how to attach images  :o

FC Bass

I think this must be it, remove one of the volumes and replace with the Pan preamp.
Also I think you must cover the trimpot on the filter with a sticker, I'm not sure if you must turn it al the way down.
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FC Bass

I see the problem... The second volume is hardwired to the "main' volume board?
Wonder if you can convert it to the single volume harness...
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edwardofhuncote

This was why I posted the initial question... I always thought original Persuaders were wired this way. FC is a certified Spoiler and Persuader doc though... he'll fix you up.  8)


I can tell you it's a great upgrade once you've done it! Huge improvement on my Persuader.

WLeach

FC, that's my conundrum. Anyone got a schematic or picture of the single volume harness? I can do the work, just need to know what to do. I spoke to Mica about getting a schematic/diagram but haven't been able to get back in touch. Mary sent a schematic but it doesn't apply to the Persuader.

FC Bass

I'm not sure if this is helpful, but this is a butchered board.
IIrc the two unused solder pads on the edge are the input/ground. (where the pan module connects)


Thanx Edward :-) Persuader is new for me, no experience with the vol, vol stuff here.

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WLeach

Martin
Could I get you to take a photo of your current wiring? I'd love to see what the " single volume harness looks like.