Actually, a return to nationalism is one of the few things that could save us -- I've come to think that the very ideal of a global community is misguided and in fact genocidal in that it means the eradication of both historic nations and peoples. So smoke some a that, Wavy Gravy!

Moreover, the very notion of a universalist global ideal is, truly ironically, the creation of the European Enlightenment, which most cultures on the planet did not experience. That is, in a very weird way, globalism is the creation of a particular nationalism.
 
(Message edited by hb3 on July 10, 2009)

In fact I was referring to THIS global community, the Alembic Club. International membership is welcomed and valued here, so I'll say it again: xenophobia / misplaced nationalism doesn't belong here.
 
Wilfred

And for the bigger picture: THAT global community isn't an ideal of years past, but a modern reality. The majority of companies in our own economies buy and sell worldwide, outsourcing labour, importing and using foreign materials and products. Our own companies invest big bucks in foreign economies. Why? To save and make more money themselves.
 
The questions in my earlier posts were overlooked, or maybe just too confrontational, but let me put it this way: isn't it hypocritical to blame the Chinese for doing what we have always done, for selling us the products we demand and in fact, for following the examples we've given them?
 
They might be leading the rat race at this moment, but rats we are all...
 
Wilfred
 
(Message edited by the_mule on July 11, 2009)

Well, that's interesting that you were referring to this Alembic community as global, and I misunderstood.
 
IMHO, the source of an idea, and even the conditions under which it was formulated, may or may not have any bearing on the validity/lack thereof of it's application in any other arena.
 
I still think that nationalism is one way we Terrans have been divided and conquered.

So you're saying you think nationalism is a bad thing...?

It's a two-edged sword, and I think it's time to evolve beyond it.
From Webster's: excessive, narrow or jingoistic patriotism; chauvinism... the doctrine that national interest, security, etc. are more important than international considerations

Evolve beyond it?  Into what?  A one world socialist utopian government...which always looks so enticing on paper and yet always plays out it's despotic theme in the name of the people?  I don't know about you, but I don't care to be a vassal of the state.
 
The nationalism that you so easily disparage is also the nationalism that enusures your liberty to utter sentiments that could easily be construed as treasonous.

Please avoid political discussions on this board.  Invariably, things get said in political discussions that will be hurtful to others, whether they post a response of not.

I will certainly temper my posts out of deference to Dave and to the guidelines of the board. But, I will not temper them out of fear that someone may construe them as treasonous.
There, got that off my chest. Moving on, now.

Can we modify the title of this thread (or delete it altogether)?  I cringe every time I see something even close to profanity on this forum (and in every day life I probably have just about the filthiest mouth of anyone you could meet.  I bet I could make sailors blush).  I like the refuge from the fighting you get on almost every other music forum.

As stated in my profile:
 
I have more respect for the person who burns the flag and then wraps themself in the Constitution, than for the person who burns the Constitution and them wraps themself in the flag.
 
'nuff said.
 
Bill, tgo

All this bickering makes me hungry. Anybody for some CHINESE food?

Just had some! It was great! China Gourmet in North Boulder is indeed a hidden treasure and I was able this very evening to introduce a long time Boulder friend to it.
 
Edwin

I've had chinese food twice in the last fortnight and both times I've had bad indigestion afterwards and haven't slept ;-(
 
Graeme