just for the record, it's not illegal everywhere. In my state(Oregon), there are medical laws that allow the use of the noble weed.

RE: this thread
 
HUH? LOL!
 
Peace,
 
Kevin

Paul,
The most common 420 myth is it was the California police radio call code for pot smokers being seen.  Another popular myth is it started as a tea time ritual by some folks in the 70's. Everyday at 4:20 PM they would sit down and smoke a joint. In any event it has become part of the pot culture.  
 
Hope this helps explain things.  
 
Keith

Graeme;
 
I'm guessing that if you have school-age children, you need to know about facebook; and if you don't, you probably don't want to know.   My guess is that it's something akin to myplace.com.
 
Edit: that should read myspace
 
(Message edited by davehouck on April 21, 2006)

I am not sure of how 4 20 came around either.  But one story I have heard that it was two students that would meet on a hill after class every day at 4:20 for a smoke.  So.....now everytime 4 and 20 are used together, it takes on a different meaning.  As in the date.  From what I understand, it had nothing to do with the date, but the time of day.
 
There are stories on the internet of the origin of 4 20, but I am too lazy to Google it.
 
Great thread.
 
Michael

Tom, I never said anything negative about 4-20 or hash Weds. But I wonder why when most are smoking pot and see a police officer, they hide their stuff and even deny they have it when ask. Rosa didn't duck behind the seat so no one would see her. She had courage to stand up for what she felt was her moral right.  
I support a persons right to protest for their rights. But I don't see how ducking down in you seat, tossing the reefer in your mouth to dispose of it and then sparying air freshener to conceal the aroma accomplishes this.

Thanks for that Dave. Indeed, my three Teenagers all have Myspace accounts. That's why i do all my surfing etc. at work - I can't get on the PC at night;-)
 
Graeme

Michael; I've had my morning cup of coffee now, so I've gone and googled it.  
 
Paul; here you go!

Do a search for 420 etymology.  I would post links, but I'm at school and they block drug stuff.

I have but one last thing to say about 4/20/06
, last day of Passover this year, DUDE.

Thanks moder!
Really fun to learn about that side of the over-the-pond community.
Far out!
Hehehehe
 
Paul TBO
 
BTW: I got the Steven Stills link right

The infinite wisdom of the US government:
 
http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/04/21/medical.marijuana.ap/index.html

OK Bill, have fun.  See you when you get back.  If you happen to stop in Johnny Foley's pub on O'Farrell St tell them hello for me.
 
Sam

The hotel has wifi so I just stopped by.  HOLY C**P, what did I start!!???!!???  I'm amazed at two things:  
 
first, the sheer number of posts in less than 24 hours, and  
 
secondly, the ability of this board to take on a political discusssion of this sort, complete with disagreements, and handle it with respect and dignity.  It makes me proud to hang out with you guys.
 
420:  There are numerous urban myths:
 
* California police code for pot smoking in progress
*The number of chemicals in cannabis
*The time of day that cannabis was invented  (yes, I've really heard people claim this!)
 
The above are all false.   The truth appears to be that it started in the 70's at a high schol in San Rafael (not far from Alembic - LOL) where a group of students would meet after school at 4:20 p.m. to indulge together.
 
As for laws, conceptually (from a legal standpoint) all laws fall into one of two categories:  malum in se, and malum prohibitum.  Malum in se crimes are those that are inherently bad, sort of Olie's initial proposition that illegal=immoral.  These are crimes like murder, theft, rape, assault, burglary, etc., where one individual's conduct adversely affects another.  These are the type of crime where there is an actual victim and most in society would agree these are bad or immoral acts.
 
Malum prohibitum crimes are those crimes that society deems to be bad.  These include victimless crimes like getting high, prostitution, gambling, unmarried sex, improprer corporate record keeping, even oral sex (I dare anyone on this list to argue oral sex is immoral bad or evil, yet there are places in this country (I believe) where it is still illegal!).
 
As for the malum in se type of crime, I suspect most of us would ascribe to Olie's theory:  illegal=immoral.  It is the malum prohibitum crimes that create the controversy, both on this list and among people everywhere throughout history.
 
Joey:
 
Name one person who played better loaded?  I believe if you read any of the books about the Grateful Dead, whether excellent biographies like Blair Jackson's Garcia, Dennis McNally's book, or even Phil's autobiography Searching for the Sound, you will find a very strong argument that psychedelics, especially LSD, had a profoundly positive effect on their music.  Drugs are like most things, they can be used or abused.  The music world bears ample evidence of both, IMHO.  Unfortunately, when some drugs are abused, there are very dire consequences that we all know all too well.
 
Well, I've got to get ready, my panel starts in an hour and a half.  Then lunch with Tommy Chong!  (Maybe I should ask him about his guitar and amp set up in Up in Smoke?  LOL
 
I love you guys
 
Bill, tgo

Can't we switch to some easier topic like immigration reform?
 
Religion?
 
 
 
Bradley